October 31st, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Makes sense…. America hates everyone ^^
October 31st, 2008 at 9:58 pm
dj41326October 31st, 2008 at 10:39 pm
We will all wish we had socialism when Obama/McCain get done. The Bilderberg group has given the green light for the reduction of population and Obama has been handpicked by that group to be the next president. He is easily controllable and that is why the Bilderbergs want him in power. Buy your guns and ammo now. Stock up on MRE and food it is going to be a long 4/8 years no matter who wins.
November 1st, 2008 at 4:07 am
Heh, Americans are afraid of socialism because well we have been lied to for about 100 years, and well racism was used to control the masses here till about well it still is, and socialism/communism was/is tied to eastern Europeans who were/are popular scapegoats. It is very sad state of affairs but welcome to the united states.
November 1st, 2008 at 8:34 am
I wouldn’t say America hates socialism…just the people who can pay to put telelvision programs and themselves on the air…
November 1st, 2008 at 10:38 am
American doesn’t hate socialism per se, we have been under socialistic capitalism for almost 80 years now. American ideals were always based on being able to go from nothing to being Warren Buffet, and socialism as they see it hinders them. Many many Americans would want the good side to socialism but are more deeply afraid of the bad side. It’s a tender subject :-)
November 1st, 2008 at 11:11 am
Scandinavia has been socialistic for many years now, and yet still we top most charts of the happiest people on earth ^^
November 1st, 2008 at 12:17 pm
And taxes are used to take some wealth away from richer citizens and give it to poorer citizens? Do you really believe that? Most taxes are paid by the people with an income under 50k/year even in the socialist countrys. The really rich people have the power to get laws for tax deducts.
You pay about half your income in taxes if you live in one of the european countrys. Half of your paycheck! And then comes sales tax,mineral tax, taxes on luxury goods like booze and so on and on. And that is transfered to the poorer people, thats fair. But most socialist leaders are rich people to or have a way higher income than 4000€/month. Do you really think that those people beside poluting the air with their dumb speeches about change or a fairer world, would lift one finger. No its more important for socialist politicans to fight a gender war in parlament (as done in the eu parlament to ban “steroetypes” like cooking moms from advertisment , a little project of a swedish member Eva-Britt Svensson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva-Britt_Svensson).
November 1st, 2008 at 12:37 pm
By the way, you know that the socialistic community reinvestment act of president Ford and later Clinton were responsible for the loan crysis in U.S.? They forced banks to give credits to people to buy or build houses or start a business even if they couldn’t pay them back. Obama when he was a lawyer sued the city bank group so they had to do this. Fennie May and Freddie Mac as half-state banks were put to guarantee that the banks could get the money back. And as you remember those two were the first banks to crush followed by the banks and insurance companys who owned this credits.
Yeah the capitalism of the US isn’t a very good system, but those idiotic socialist politicians, who in order to buy themselves votes, risked the economy of they’re own country and now pushed the whole world a bit in direction to the cliff.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I really don’t understand why people still think socialism is good after a the governments of the world caused a global financial breakdown by regulating the bank market as they needed to.
November 1st, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Nah Socialism has some good parts, pension (invented by Bismarck in the late 19th century, wait a minute???), health insurance. Thats ok and it’s ok to pay for that stuff. The problem with Socialism are the Socialists. Many of them are career politicians with a complete history of working in government or NGOs.
Those people bribed and controlled by lobbies or large media corporations which own and control many survey institutes (like Bertelsmann, or this media empire of Robert Murdoch). These politicans don’t know anything of the real world and don’t want to know that stuff either because it would destroy their little head-constructed models and worldviews and would force them to think and listen to us, the sovereigns of the democratic countrys.
November 1st, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Michael, the taxes pay for those good things. It’s what makes you “afford” surgery and medicine that might very well save your life. Taxes and a responsible government are the best insurances anyone can have.
And if anything, I’d say you’re looking at the wrong end of the political spectrum for corporate puppets. Politicians are stereotyped into being corrupt with a cause, power corrupts and it takes a certain type of person to want to be a politician.
Lastly, I don’t think what I say will magically change anyone’s opinion but as long as you make the other think and put themselves in others’ situation, maybe I’ve enlightened someone a little bit.
November 1st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
I live in Costa Rica and, yeah, the country is relatively poor but the literacy rate is of 96% of the population, the public universities (which are extremely good and way better than the private ones in here) are readily available since they give out tons of scholarships to people regarding their economical situation, and there’s health care available for EVERYONE, even if you don’t have insurance. This system has worked since everyone gives out to these needs through their taxes.
And, remember, there’s a HUGE difference between SOCIALISM, MARXISM, and COMMUNISM. They’re not all the same and it all depends on how you apply them.
I’ve been to the US more than a couple of times for extended periods and, yes, it’s clean and relatively organized, but still, having to worry that you won’t have enough money to go to the hospital if you trip and break your toe? No thanks.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:18 pm
I don’t think that anyone disagrees that a person who earns more should pay more in taxes. That makes sense.
But it is how the tax system works. In a fair takes system some one who earns 10 times more should pay 10 times more in taxes. In the progressive tax system someone who earns 10 times more hast to pay 20-30 times more in taxes.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Oh I look just at the right side of the spectrum. They get bribed as easily as every other politcan and fooled by faked numbers that NGOs and surveys from media companys provide. Believing that left politicans are more ethical than the rest is a bit blue-eyed isn’t it?
If I pay taxes for stuff like Health Insurrance and Pensions thats OK. But having to spend 20% (in germany you pay ten percent and the employer has to double that) of my income into a pension fund where the people in control already say that I wont get at least the money I put in when I’m old is a tough one.
Where goes the money? In bribing voters with little presents
I can live with the fact that I (as an engineer) have to pay more into the system than I get out (except for the pension thing, i’m glad if I don’t need to use the money I put into the healthinsurance) but my blood boils when I see that money wasted.
November 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pm
I don’t understand how anyone can support socialism. Have you had to deal with the social security administration recently? It’s awful and there’s no concern about customer service because it’s run by the government. At least a private company has to worry about losing your patronage, the government doesn’t care. I don’t believe so many Americans are willing to hand over so much responsibility to the government. The entire idea behind the Constitution was that of a limited government. The taxes the Founding Fathers revolted against are nothing compared to the taxes we currently pay, and now people think its a good idea to force people to pay more? Also, you who believe the government will actually give money to the people who need it the most are naive. Get out into the real world and you’ll see the money will only go to whatever faction can keep the politicians in power. Socialism does not work. Look at the European countries unemployment rates and tell me its a paradise. It’ s just another scheme to keep certain politicians in power
Socialism, government intervention in the production of goods or services, is ‘bad’ only because it is the surest way to broaden the scope of worldwide human misery. For more on this, see link in name.
Also, if anything, ‘Robin Hoodism’ would be the opposite of socialism. This is because Robin Hood was returning the money taken from the peasants by the government (the Sheriff of Nottingham) in the form of taxation. As such, Robin Hood would more closely embody an anti-tax and consequently anti-socialist mentality.
November 1st, 2008 at 10:02 pm
It’s sad to see that people still confuse socialism and communisn. Socialism Is a system that does allows private property but in which the state regulates the incomes made by the state-owned and private companies. Simply it believes that the taxes should be proportional to the income of the citizen or the company. So the more you gain the more you are taxed, the less you gain the less you are. It is a system that wishes to fight unequal distribution of wealth and who uses the taxes to help the citizens, by allowing public health-care education etc… all paid by the governement. Communism is a system were the state owns all the companies and therefore assures the equal distributionof wealth but it has been proven that this does not work, because the companies do not have the freedom to expand and make more benefits since they are not private but state owned, communism is an utopia. Do not confuse both and stop having those stereotypes and confusions about it.
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 am
There is socialism and socialism Dan. Having health insurance doesn’t make a country socialistic. Behind the iron curtain were many countrys from a socialistic (think of it as communism light) state to real communism. But in every of these countrys, markets and production where state controlled
Social market economy like in many European countrys works (if good, only history can tell) would be an alternative. But then americans must accept the fact that half of a middle-class income would go to the state.
November 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
I love your comic, but please learn how to use the ” ‘s “, it pains me to see it used in the wrong places :-)
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:07 pm
@ Richard: “Look at the European countries unemployment rates” well i can tell you for one that Denmark has an unemployment rate that is so low leading to companies being almost unable to find employees!
i dont get why so many americans oppose socialism (and knows so little about it), especially considering that their precious non-socialistic republicans have multiplied the foreign debt so heavily over the last 8 years.
Your current biggest problem is not that obama wants the richest to pay a little extra to the hospitals and stuff, its how the fuck you will pay off china!
November 2nd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
We can’t have socialism in the US. Conservatives will pitch a fit. It’ll infringe on our freedom. You know, the freedom to earn tons of money while the poor work three jobs just to put food on the table. Socialism would be unconstitutional to conservatives. I can imagine them on the picket lines with signs reading, “It’s unconstitutional to take away my barely earned money!”
November 2nd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
What I think, is the biggest reason behind the fear of “socialism/communism(as long we live in an political hegemony, we will never be able to learn people. The difference between them), except the usual causes. Is the propaganda and mindfucking, the Red scares did so brilliantly.
November 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 am
Socialism is bad for America because the majority of the “poor” class sit on their ass all day and do jack shit to improve their lives. I hate Americans.
PS – I’m American.
November 3rd, 2008 at 8:56 am
to much politics bring forward the boobs >_<
November 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 am
Politics and boobs can merge. In Italia a young woman got elected by walking down the streets naked ^^
November 3rd, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Okay, so socialism was a bad topic for a gag. Jeez’ guys! Give it a rest!
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:45 pm
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
hmm, I hate socialism, but im Franco-German. Thats one of the few things I asmire the US for.
AbbieNovember 3rd, 2008 at 4:11 pm
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ripperNovember 3rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
nobody should hate robin hood. he has a jolly tune and merry men!
November 7th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
I still dont get the ponit of those agaist socialism. Maybe simply there ius no point to get and they just want to have as mus PRECIOUSSSSS (like gollum would say) money no matter how many people are starving on the street or cannot pay the barely expelsive operation for the disease that will kill them.
November 8th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Figures, someone brings up socialism, even in a positive light, and all the looters join hands to come to its defense. It’s amusing that you feel the need to defend something even when no one attacked it. That’s sort of telling, isn’t it? Taking money and property away from people who make it and giving it to people who don’t will never be anything but a crime, no matter how you dress it up or what you call it.
November 10th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
The comic is not entirely true. Under socialism not all large industries are necessarily owned by the government. That is more like communism. While it could be an aspect of extreme socialism it is unlikely to occur in the USA.
I wouldn’t call it “robin hoodism” either… unless you want to call the USA’s current economic system reverse “robin hoodism.” The richest 1% of Americans have continuously accumulated a larger and larger percentage of the wealth in the US since the revolutionary war. It has never once so much as trickled towards the less wealthy in spite of the socialist programs instituted by FDR. I doubt that any new socialist programs will be powerful enough to reverse this trend. If they even slow the trend I will be impressed.
November 12th, 2008 at 2:00 am
The USA government response to Hurricane Katrina – before and after is a prime example of the “me” first attitude in full action. Socialism means that you might actually care about how someone else is doing.
November 14th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Under Socialism, the government would own large companies that produce necessities (like presc, drugs, energy, health care, etc). Profit should be taken out of the equation if you care about everyone having access to them. Being “necessities” it’s seems obvious that we are all entitled.
People selling energy drinks, cup holders, Rolex watches, diamonds, etc should be able to make all the profit they want and can from those items. It’s just a matter of everyone having what they need first vs. luxury items. If you wanna waste your money on silly stuff, go ahead, but not at the expense of your neighbor’s hear surgery.
Imagine if the US govt made the $50 billion profit that Exxon Mobil just made and could reduce taxes for everyone by that amount. That helps millions of little guys and prevents a handful of Big Guys from being created. That in essence, is what it’s about.
Would you be happier with the benefits of everyone having access to necessities (i.e lower crime, better education, health care, etc) or having a few really, really rich people who “trickle” a little bit down to the pleebs whenever they feel a little guilty about amassing huge profits?
OttoNovember 18th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
>SNRabbit says: “I’ve been to the US more than a couple of times for extended periods and, yes, it’s clean and relatively organized, but still, having to worry that you won’t have enough money to go to the hospital if you trip and break your toe? No thanks.”
If you think that anybody in the USA really worries about that sort of thing, then I’m sorry, but you’ve been tricked by the media perception. Emergency health-care is more or less free for those who cannot afford it, for all intents and purposes, and that’s really part of the problem.
We do not need universal health-care over here. What we need is to fix the existing system to eliminate the leeches and fix the crazy broken insurance practices. The vast system of laws and bureaucracy is the source of the problem, eliminating that would go a long way towards making health-care affordable for everybody, even the poorest.
The idea of universal health-care is indeed a socialist idea. However, the idea of health-care regulation and reform is not, and that’s the difference.
December 2nd, 2008 at 5:31 pm
We don’t like socialism because it stands for everything america ISNT! we are a capitalist nation, everyone has a chance to do what they want, and compete, furthermore, I don’t want to pay my money for when stupid people get hurt, let them pay their own healthcare! weed out the weak ones.
December 7th, 2008 at 11:10 am
We need to punish those who succeed beyond the rest of us. Then we need
to reward mediocrity and laziness. What better system than socialism will
fulfill both directives?
December 11th, 2008 at 12:42 am
1.) Be a smart American boy
2.) Reach adolescence
3.) Tire of being admonished with age-old conservative moralistic values that you don’t appreciate. How could you appreciate tradition at 13?
4.) As a result, rebel against the traditional ‘values’ of your parents, without being at fault at all.
5.) Hear someone attack capitalism by way of pointing out how often socialism is misunderstood
6.) Realize how informed they sounded
7.) Do what they did
8.) After some years, become bored with playing the same old dogmatic arguments like a broken record against capitalism
9.) Sit down alone with an uncomfortable feeling in your gut. Curl your brow and realize you’ve never really understood anything you preached, that you don’t understand anything about life, why you’re here and why you should go on living
10.) Pick up classic texts and novels, actually read Marx, appreciate socialism for what was brilliant in it. Read about Lincoln, the Greeks, operate from that compulsion that all thinking beings must discover to figure out what this whole rat race of humanity was about in the first place.
11.) Come to a very moderate conclusion about capitalism and socialism, possibly even appreciate much of what seemed an old dry capitalist ideal when you were younger.
December 14th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Socialism would be far better than the capitalist system we have now, regardless of who the president is.
December 17th, 2008 at 5:25 am
You folks all need to learn the differences between communism, socialism, Keynesianism, capitalism, and facism.